I know I think differently now I wasnt a big fan of god before now he isnt there at all has anyone else felt like this or has pd strengthened their faith ? are people with pd more likely to be an atheist or be come one?
interesting but provocative question. generally not recommended to discuss religion.
many people depend on it. but since you ask, i have not believed in a personal god since i was 10, but now i wish there was one... so i could give her a swift kick in the @rse!
That is a deep question for this time in the morning! I wonder how many answers you will get?
My belief in God has never altered/faltered although I may have uttered the odd swear word here and there. I have a totally simplistic and naive perception of what/who God is, based largely on the way I was brought up. If everybody had my view, we would have a peaceful world BUT because large numbers disagree completely and are spluttering with disbelief as they read this, we will continue to fight.
I don't usually shout about my faith, I don't go to Church any more. It is part of what makes me 'ME' and I am happy with that. I don't blame God for Parkinson's and as the condition took me to the depths of despair only two hours ago, it is remarkable that I feel I can write in defence.
If one person ridicules what I have just said - I suppose it is to be expected!
If I had been brought up in different circumstances, my view would possibly be the opposite, but I wasn't and it isn't!
I shall now hover over the 'post' button and if I do press it, I'll wait, with trepidation, for the abuse to begin!
thanks T you always have a considered opinion .
hey L there are a lot of childish ideas that were useful but having pd I,ve started questioning values and what there based on. its like a new starting point the things that were important are not any more . religion not being talked about is just a saying it needs to be talked about its a modern day danger .
When I was given up for adoption.The only clue or link to my real parentage was a small child's bible.I still have it today.It has 7 candles coloured in on a cake on One of the pages,with a number Seven written also.In the back is a written account of how I was feeling aged 16.
I suppose I must have occasionally flicked through it wondering if there was a God,maybe he/she would perhaps rescue me from where I ended up.Maybe he/she would reunite me with my real Mother.Make everything all right.There had to be a plausible explanation,surely?Can you just prove you are are there God?
God never answered,when I later searched myself,still no answer,just a brick wall of emptiness.So I have to assume there is no God or likewise idol or delusion,nothing but fate.
I await the usual scorn and ridicule from certain quarters.I am sorry,did I talk about my life?I assumed it was mine to divulge and not for other people to vet/throw back in my face.There again,if God exists as some people think,then he/she exists to protect the wicked and mean.Cause heartbreak and sorrow.Death and destruction.
Parkinsons only increases these feelings.Because there is nothing good about parkinsons disease.Yes,disease!!Let's not hide away from the true wording.Or shall everybody carry on holding hands in a merry ring of collective denial.Not me.
Guess that makes me an atheist ?
p.s sorry about the I,me's and my's
so hard to communicate without them
i believe we should never ridicule the fact that someone believes as those beliefs may be vital and precious to them but that it is legitimate to ridicule a system of belief and in particular the established organisations that claim to own those beliefs. It can be a fine line between those subjects. However in general I don't think this forum is the place for religious ridicule - ridicule the health professionals, treatments, ourselves etc instead.
not claiming to have always followed these suggestions.
all well and good T but medical research has had the brakes applied by religion based on myth and dogma
I don't have a particularly strong belief, not in there being a man somewhere anyway, nor a woman, but something somewhere sometime created the universe unless we 'cop out' and believe in infinity, and to me, this something is God.
Not being in human form perhaps prayers are wasted because how would God hear or feel them?
I don't know the answer to that, and neither does anyone else, but I am a believer, as are atheists of course, only they 'believe' in nothing, and each belief is equally valid.
So, each of us is entitled to our belief, whatever it is, and it should always be respected by others, and never ridiculed.
But different religious beliefs have been the cause of so much trouble over the years, so it is not really a good idea to confront others with your belief, especially in the forum format, and more especially in a 'health' forum where others in suffering may need the comfort of their belief.
Just my 10 p worth.
I was really wondering if the part of the brain that is effected by pd is the same part that needs a god not if there is a god or not. M700 you just made you own religion up as you went a long
See what I mean ???
So end of my input to this thread.
Not made up as I go along, I have always believed in there being something, just not necessarily in human form!
you make statements and put on "this is what I belief" and some how that makes it holy but that wasnt what I asked in the 1st place which was has pd made any difference in belief or not
In my humble opinion, there is nothing wrong with making up your own religion.
Saves you in council tax for a start.
I became more religious as my pd progressed. Sensing the end I threw myself into cramming mode. However the more I read the less religious I became,
Does anyone know where I can get a hold of a Jedi Manual, I figure that may be more up to date and relevant, well I can only pray to my God.
I can tell you where I find God. In the words and actions of others, not on a fluffy cloud. Unfortunately that is also where I see the nasty side too.
All religions should be tolerated as long as they dont hurt anyone for if they do they should be smited and stoned. *Hmmm I think I see the problem with religion.
Does a Jedi celebrate Christmas?
If not, I dont want to know.
i think i see what you are getting at gordon. i would say that excessive dopamine is more likely to lead to religious experiences. excessive dopamine can give exra 'meaning' to expriences, eg in schizophrenia, and that extra significance could be religious but in most people comes out creativiy.
I was a confirmed athiest long before I got PD and nothing has changed.
Maybe PD is my punishment!
Nah, your not being punished for being an athiest.
I wasn't and I copped for it as well. In fact believers who transgress cop for it all the more. Somefity something Chapter something some verse or other.
where have you been what am I a voice crying in the wilderness things are all different now I am taking more sinemet less requip I am all sweetness and light now.I know the forum is not the ideal place to debate religion its only a bit of fun instead of anal pd reflection I see I cant say anal so I,ll say anal instead or anal [ed thats wrecked him]
pope john paul II had pd. not sure what it proves.
personally i like spinoza, anyone burnt in effigy by jews, catholics and prebyterians must have done something right -
albert einstein - “I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings”
God is the indwelling and not the transient cause of all things. All things which are, are in God. Besides God there can be no substance, that is, nothing in itself external to God.
Individual things are nothing but modifications of the attributes of God, or modes by which the attributes of God are expressed in a fixed and definite manner.
in other words god didnt make the universe, the universe IS god and god IS the universe - we are all just temporary organised bits of god/universe.
well bert and i like it.
solar eclipse in one hour.
always an awe inspiring phenomenon.