A little help for newly diagnosed

Hi all,

I was diagnosed around a year ago now and what a year it’s been. I just wanted to say hi to all as I’ve found the forum very comforting when the inevitable spirals come and go.

I, like many it seems had a painful arm/hand around 4.5 years ago and had always hoped that the trapped nerve route was the end of it. There was a period of a few months where MND was being discussed which does nothing for stress levels!

My main issue is with my left hand that has no dexterity left but still works as a lifting and carrying tool at least. My left leg now seems to be very slowly getting stiffer and less flexible so my foot slaps slightly but apart from that I’m carrying on as ‘normal’.

After speaking to my neurologist this week he’s suggested I consider Rasagiline as a mono therapy when I’m ready in the hope of making exercise and daily tasks a little less taxing.

I’m absolutely terrified of Dyskinesia as it feels like the end of my career so I’m trying (and failing) to work out a treatment plan in my head to avoid it for as long as possible/ever?!

Could anyone share their experiences of Rasagiline if possible? I know we’re all different but knowing where to start with this would be useful I think.

Thanks in advance,
-A

Hi AndNo_1,

Welcome to our community forum. You’re sure to hear from our group members with regard to their experiences with Rasagiline, but in the meantime we would suggest having a read of this page of our website: MAO-B inhibitors (rasagiline, selegiline, safinamide) | Parkinson's UK. We’d also urge you to have a search of the term for more information, using the simple search feature. And of course we have a free and confidential helpline on 0808 800 0303 staffed with advisors who would be happy to assist with a range of services.

We hope these resources can be of use, and we offer our warmest welcome,

Jason
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Good morning AndNo_1 … I am 70 & was diagnosed with Atypical Parkinson’s in June 2023 having had symptoms for a number of years. I was put on
Sinemet [co-careldopa] around about 6 months ago. I have gait freezing & mobility issues. Both my hands & arms are strong & work normally. I also have neuropathy like a lot of Parkinson’s patients do [up to 55%]. Neuropathy make my legs feel very heavy. painful & numb & my lower back uncomfortable. I struggle to walk more than 100 yards & am not comfortable doing so.

I saw my experienced Parkinson’s nurse 3 weeks ago & he prescribed Rasagiline which I have been taking for a week. Since I started my legs felt a lot heavier but I am better today.

Rasagiline prevents dopamine metabolism irreversibly, thus increasing levels of dopamine , the result being a symptomatic benefit in patients with PD. It has demonstrated clinical efficacy in both early monotherapy and in advanced PD as an adjunct to levodopa.

Carbidopa-levodopa (Sinemet ): The most effective and well-tolerated drug the medical profession has to offer at this time is carbidopa-levodopa. It often helps with bradykinesia (rigidity and rest tremor). It generally does not help with imbalance or falls, freezing and non-motor symptoms.

I have not noticed any other downside to taking Rasagiline so far. I’m guessing it was prescribed as I had been on Sinemet for some time.

Best wishes
Steve2

What is clinical efficacy?

In medicine, clinical efficacy indicates a positive therapeutic effect. If efficacy is established, an intervention is likely to be at least as good as other available interventions to which it will have been compared.

What is the use of monotherapy?

Therapy that uses one type of treatment, such as radiation therapy or surgery alone, to treat a certain disease or condition. In drug therapy, monotherapy refers to the use of a single drug to treat a disease or condition

Best wishes
Steve2

Thank you for the info, I’ll dig a little deeper into all of the ins and outs. Like everything else it seems to have such a varied impact from person to person

Best,
A

Hello A … I would not rule out neuropathy. I take Amitriptyline for it. An excellent drug.
Certainly relieves pain & helps with sleep.

Yes we are all different.

Best of luck.
Steve2

Thanks Steve2,
There’s definitely a good deal of neuropathy going on - I have been battling sciatica for about a year now and I’ve found that sitting on a heat pad massively helps my pain & walking. Amitriptyline helps me too but it also completely knocks me out like a sleeping tablet so I don’t use it very much.

Thanks again

If you take the Amitriptyline at bedtime that might be a good move, This drug is a take every day drug not a take it when you feel like it drug.

Best of luck.
Steve2

Hi @AndNo_1
I took rasagiline as a monotherapy for the first two years after I was diagnosed with no noticeable side-effects - but also with few noticeable benefits except that I became a lot less anxious. I then added sinemet which worked well for a while but after another couple of years I did develop dyskinesia so had to cut down. I’ve recently had DBS surgery which has allowed me to cut down on the medication but still control the symptoms (in particular tremors).

All the best
Clare

That sounds a bit like I’m expecting things to go Clare. I don’t really have a tremor at present and only get it very slightly when I’m really anxious but it sounds like the 5 year to dyskinesia story I’m worried about. I guess I keep hoping to read that people have gone for 20 years without it but I probably need to come to terms with that not being the case.

I had an interesting chat with my Neurologist in Bristol regarding DBS and they’re going to be offering adaptive DBS next year which looks great (brain surgery aside).

Thanks,
A

I had my original DBS fitted at Addenbrookes, Cambridge. Having moved away from their catchment area my Battery needed replacement & the long & the short of it is that I had a rechargeable battery fitted at Bristol. My wife plugs me into the mains every week. LOL Seriously, she doesn’t but I do recharge my battery every week after transferring the charge to my battery. Having the DBS done at Bristol is scary but you will reap the rewards afterwards, so give it serious consideration.

Les

Hello AndNo_1, I was on Rasagiline for the first year after diagnose and as Clare said, no side effects, but also no benefits. My neurologist doesn’t want to put me on C/L because, as he said, “90% of patients develop dyskinesia after 5 years”, than he paused a bit and said “I’m lying, everyone. Yes, you will feel almost healthy for a first time, and then for a few years you will curse me”. :grimacing: So I will try to avoid C/L as long as possible

Hello AndNo_1,

I’ve taken Rasagiline pretty much since diagnosis in 2014 and have to agree with others that when I took it in isolation I noticed little benefit from it but also no side effects.

I also take dopamine agonists and levodopa and although they do lead to dyskinesia in time I would suggest that the benefits are worth it and would not delay taking them. My main issue was my right hand (my dominant hand) having no dexterity so I really had no choice but to use medication. I don’t have tremor either.

I was also terrified of dyskinesia but didn’t really experience it until 2022/2023. It wasn’t pleasant but was not as bad as I expected - only happening sporadically and for relatively short periods.

I had DBS in Bristol earlier this year (more motivated by the time I was spending ‘off’ with medication not working than by dyskinesia) and the dyskinesia is now gone again as well as most of my other symptoms. The device I have can be switched to adaptive when that becomes available. I think there are also medications that are fairly effective at controlling dyskinesia but I have not tried them.

I can’t say that what was right for me is right for you, but I have no regrets about starting medication when I did as it allowed me to continue with life as normal for a number of years.

Let me know if you want to chat more about any of this.

Paul

Hello AndNo…1
Welcome to the forum. You wrote that you are ‘…absolutely terrified of dyskinesia as it feels like the end of (your) career’ but you didn’t say what you do.
I cannot comment on Rasagiline as I have never used it but I have lived with dyskinesia for some time probably because of long term use of medication; I was diagnosed 15 years ago. As, it seems to me, anything and everything about Parkinson’s varies from person to person it is very difficult to give a cut and dried response to posts such as yours, however I will try to give you something that may enable you to view your own circumstances with a bit more clarity.

First of all I would be looking to find out a little more about what you have written re your career, because on the one hand it could read as if it is likely to be the end of your careeer, on the other hand it might just be what you think might happen - a maybe not a given. There is a subtle difference between these two aspects and being clear about which is most likely to be the case (if you can, it may be quite hard) may help reduce the absolute terror you have of developing dyskinesia. Even if you think the most likely outcome is the worst possible scenario - it will end your career - once you have had time to process that it can make a positive difference. Knowing what you are up against is often half the battle. Once you know you can begin to look forward and make plans re what you need to do to manage your career; or indeed lead you to think of other options if continuing in your current career doesn’t seem tenable

Second, again it depends on your circumatances but if you are in paid employment, you are entitled to a workplace assessment and adjustments made to enable you to continue to work. Obviously they need to be aware that you have some health problems in order to set the process going but you are not obliged to tell them you have Parkinson’s unless you choose to. The point is you would be entitled to support from your employer, so developing dyskinesia should not of itself end your career.

(As an aside, just to make the point not to suggest it is right for you at the moment, I no longer work and that does make a difference. When working Parkinson’s doesn’t always fit in very easily with the demands and responsibilities of your work role and when the work role is ended, Parkinson’s can be accommodated much more easily.)

Like most things when it comes to Parkinson’s dyskinesia varies from person to person, but personally I pay it little heed. Some days it is worse than others, some days I can catch myself almost constantly moving and am able to stop it - for a little while at least. I treat it exactly the same as I have from beginning of my so called Parkinson’s journey - I’ve been dealt these cards, there is no cure and it has taken me on a different turn in the road. Not one I have chosed that is true and if I could get shot of it of course I would but I have no intention of spending the rest of my life saying ‘why me?’ and being angry, frustrated etc at what fate has decided for me. The question is really why not me? I’m nothing special that gives me immunity to such things it’s just life. You won’t need to read many of my posts to see that the ‘positive mindset’ is the single most important thing to me in managing my symptoms. It’s not everyone’s way but it has stood me in good stead so far. It may not last but I will cross that bridge if and when it happens. In a nutshell therefore I just get on with my life and if people have a problem with my dyskinesia, the problem is theirs not mine. I am happy to explain if needs be, sometimes I will say up front that my dyskinesia is bad that day but mostly I just get on with it and don’t feel a need to mention it at all.

Maybe you don’t need to spend time working out a treatment plan to avoid taking Resagiline for as long as possible/ever. Maybe it’s worth considering, if it gives you a better quality of life. Maybe you won’t develop dyskinesia - not everyone does - and even if you do, it is possible to meet the challenge of living with it and it not be the end of the world. The fact is there are no certainties in Parkinson’s really. Neurologists and others can make recommendations and suggestions as to things that may help but ultimately the individual has to decide for him or herself and maybe, just maybe that includes an occasional leap of faith that something may be worth trying. You can spend your life being terrified of developing dyskinesia if you choose to, but Parkinson’s does not stop throwing curved balls into your path - this one is dyskinesia, there will be others and if fear is going to stop you at every turn, Parkinson’s will be the winner.

As I so often write, I am not sure how much sense some of what I have written will make sense to you as some of it is quite abstract and difficult to write; but I hope if nothing else, it has made you think about what you were really asking in your post and maybe see your circumstances from a different perspectiive.

I wish you well. Do not hesitate to come back to me if something is not clear and please bear in mind it is only my view based soley on what you have chosen to disclose. It may not be accurate but, as always, I have tried to write an honest reply.
Best wishes
Tot

Thanks very much all, I really appreciate it.

I think the problem I have as others have touched on, is that I’m trying to plan my progress when obviously that isn’t possible.

I work as a Product designer which requires a lot of computer work but also a lot of making in the workshop, currently I can do everything I need to do albeit carefully and slower than before and my employers are aware which helps. There are many things that can extend my earning potential, (fancy mice that remove my need to a keyboard etc) so I guess I should focus on a plan for that rather than the medication for now.

Thanks again