Do people with advanced stages of Parkinson's feel anxious and frightened?

I don’t know how to ask this without sounding clumsy and insensitive, so I apologise if it comes across that way.

My Dad has Parkinson’s with Lewy Body Dementia. He was diagnosed about a year ago, but he has already lost mobility and is chair-bound, and his dementia is advanced.

Recently, he has choked a couple of times and struggled to swallow his medication. His not sleeping has got worse, and he has started to say negative things to me and his carer about hating his body, not caring anymore, and Mum sending him off somewhere.

(The clumsy part coming up) Do people in the later stages get stressed, anxious, and frightened about dying? Dad has always been optimistic about life despite his long list of illnesses. He also has Prostate cancer, rheumatoid arthritis, and respiratory disease.

I believe they do. However, I’m alone in those thoughts. Others think he is past the point of feeling emotions. However, Dad’s negative thoughts could be caused by his fear of what is coming next. I’m at a loss for how to approach things with my Dad and others involved.

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Hi Debbie,

We’re sorry your dad is facing such difficult times. Every person’s experience of Parkinson’s is different, and Lewy Body Dementia adds another layer of complexity. As for his mental state, anxiety is unfortunately very common throughout all stages of Parkinson’s, and when you add up all the different factors people have to deal with, it isn’t surprising. Especially at a late stage.

There is a wealth of helpful material on our website with regard to LBD and late stage Parkinson’s. Have a look here: Advanced Parkinson's | Parkinson's UK. And here: Support for you | Parkinson's UK. This second link will cover a section with multiple contacts to whom you can reach out, including our helpline on 0808 800 0303. If you’d like to speak with a friendly and highly knowledgable advisor, don’t hesitate to call. They’re happy to listen and have their own resources they can provide, some of which may surprise you.

As our members weigh in here and share their thoughts and experiences, do understand that your dad is not alone in what he’s going through – and neither are you.

With our warmest welcome,

Jason
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Hello Debbie3
I have just caught up with your post and will reply when I’ve had time to think a bit but I thought it important you should know your post and questions you raised are as valid as anyone else may have and not at all clumsy or insensitive. Please bear with me, I will reply more fully as soon as I can although please know it can only be my view. I do have Parkinson’s by the way.
Take care.
Tot

Hello Debbbie3
Yours is not an easy post to reply to, none of them are if the truth be known as all posts affect the writer personally and I have to be mindful of that. In that, your post is no different to others but it some respects it is very different - so many of the things you mentioned overlap but equally are separate and complex ‘stand alone’ issues - the Parkinsons, dementia, your dad’s other health problems and the ‘biggie’ death and dying. I have to remind you at this point that anything I write is entirely from my perspective and based only on my interpretation of what you have written; you are not obliged to agree but I do try to be honest.

First it seems to me that your dad is living every day with a multitude of difficulties and has been doing for a long time. You say he has always been optimistic about life which I believe has probably kept him going but everyone has their limits and what he is facing now with the Parkinsons and dementia may just be the straw that broke the camel’s back,

What you write about emotion is interesting and difficult where dementia is concerned. I have seen time and again people with dementia, any type of dementia, talked about and over as if they are no longer there or have any thoughts or emotional ability at all and maybe that is so. My own view is that although much is known about the brain and the neurological conditions that can be affected by it, until faced with that situation you never really know. I believe that even more since being diagnosed myself and there is a subtle difference between knowing about a condition as part of your work or personal experience of caring for someone for example, and living with it yourself. Why can’t a dementia be the same?

Death and dying is actually a very interesting subject which culturally we do not handle well in my opinion. People shy away from talking about it even in general terms and even when a person is considered to have a terminal condition, many just can’t face talking about it. If they are able to talk about it with family, friends or whoever it can become a strangely life enhancing time - there is time to put their house in order, to say things you don’t normally say because everyday life gets in the way, to recognise you’ve had a good life and a life of worth - in a way it’s a privilege most won’t have although of course is a sad circumstance you would not wish on anyone. The overlay of dementia makes this a very different ball game altogether and very much more complex.

All this theorising is all very well you may be thinking but what is the reality and what can you do? You ask specfically if people get stressed, anxious etc about dying when in the advanced stages. The simple answer is that some do, some don’t. In the same way that everyone has their own approach and way of dealing with any bad or life changing news so it will be when in the advanced stages and facing their own mortality. I have written before on the forum there are as many different ways of living with Parkinson’s as there are people who have it and to my mind, that is the same for those who know they are nearing the end of their lives.

Your other big question is how do you approach things with your dad and others. For me the bottom line is that first you need to accept, as I hope some of what I have written may have made clear, that others may see things differently to you and you need to respect that; other than that I think you have to take your lead from the person you are with whether that is your dad or anyone else. I also don’t think it should stop you saying whatever you need or want to say, even if you get told to stop being morbid or the worthless ‘he’ll be alright’ which is often trotted out when clearly he will be anything but alright. Most of all, don’t spend a lot of time agonising over the questions you raise. In a way although important and worthy of some thought and discussion, the questions are too big to be applied to your circumstances as an individual. You are clearly a caring person who just wants to do what’s right by your dad and everyone else involved. You are there for him and them, that is the most important thing and everything else will fall into place when it is right for your dad’s situation. If you take your lead from your dad or anyone else, if you listen carefully and pick up on any openings they may give you for fuller discussion and if you take opportunities to say what you need to say, that and simply being there and caring will be enough.

I’m not convinced this will help you very much but hope you at least understand the gist of it and that it may help you sort out your own emotions.

Take care of yourself.
Tot

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My hubby has just been diagnosed with Lewy Body Dementia, he’s had PD 5yrs. He has been prescribed mood enhancers as well as dementia meds this has really helped. Maybe an option for your dad

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Debbie 3

This is perhaps not relevant for your father as he is not living alone, forgive me for throwing it in as it may help some others. I live in a retirement block (what used to be called sheltered housing). There is no live in manager, we are mutually supporting most of the time. One of our residents whose husband died about two years ago has become increasingly lonely and very forgetful, withdrawn, anxious. (Not Parkinsons but early stage dementia) A relative bought her an AI Pet, a little dog which appears to listen to her, it lifts an ear, moves it head, and responds with small encouraging sounds. It has made an enormous difference to her. She laughs about it, jokes about it not needing feeding/walks/toilet. It is company for her (the relatives work full time) many of her problems and anxieties havve diminished.

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What a wonderful idea. Thank you for posting. Certainly worth considering
Tot

Hey, I know it’s hurting, my grandma died in lung cancer. And I’m sure they are afarid of being sick and maybe realize there is no such long time, do the right treatment and sit by their side. Just like respecting the veterans.

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Dad was on mood enhancers, which the GP has recently reduced in an attempt to help him sleep. The change hasn’t made a difference to his mood.

It’s good that they’ve helped your hubby.

Thank you, Tot, for your helpful reply. I understand your gist, as I’ve studied Death and Dying and written for funeral companies, and I find it an interesting subject.

I guess I’m struggling to put all of this into practice in personal circumstances, and I’m worried I could be letting my Dad down. I feel helpless standing by and listening to others say, ‘He’ll be alright,’ or ‘He doesn’t know what’s going on.’

It’s hard, but I can’t change how others react. I can only change how I do, and hope it will fall into place.

Thank you.

Try not to worry Debbie3, you are right it is different when anything gets personal because your emotions are brought into play. I am pretty sure you are not letting your Dad or anyone else down. You are clearly a very caring person and you are doing the best you can and that is all you can do. You are also right in that you can’t help how others react. Often people don’t know what to say so saying things like ‘he’ll be alright’ and ‘he doesn’t know what’s going on’ are well intentioned but often not helpful since the one thing he isn’t is alright and you will always be wondering how they can be sure he doesn’t know what is going on.

I don’t think you need to change anything you are doing. Your understanding is probably more than many because like me, you have discovered what an interesting subject death and dying is on so many levels. That understanding which has probably led to your being comfortable with death and dying and forming your own perspective of it, does not automatically mean you will find it easier than anyone else when it is close to home. I have written several times here on the forum that there is a subtle difference between knowing about Parkinsons either as a professional or through personal experience as a carer and actually living with it. It is a fine line but is definitely there. You know what you could/should be doing but the impact of Parkinson’s doesn’t always let you - it’s very much a double edged sword. It hadn’t occurred to me before but I think the same sort of thinking could be applied here and you are now having to make sense of that double edged sword.

I don’t know you, or your Dad or much about your circumstances but I can say with absolute certainty you have nothing to reproach yourself for and you are not letting anyone down - including yourself. If that were the case you wouldn’t have written as you have, it wouldn’t have mattered to you so much.
Try not to focus or overthink all the negatives if you can, and hold tight to the odd flashes of the Dad you knew and remember it is the Parkinson’s/dementia that is the cause, that’s not your Dad.

For years off and on I have written verse. I wrote this some time ago and is one that I have shared more thsn anything else I have written on for forum. It seems appropriate to repeat it again here. I hope it helps - if he could trll you, I think he might share my virew.

REMEMBER ME
No-one knows what the future holds
But one thing is certain for me
That over time my life will change
Since Parkinson’s sets no-one free
And as it travels its relentless path
I don’t know what its impact will be
I have no choice and can live with that
But to you I make this plea
That however hard it looks to you
Never pity or be sad for me
I may not be the person I once was
And need help to do most things
I may not be able to talk with you
Or laugh at the comedy life brings
But somewhere deep inside
Even if then not easy to see
Is the person I always was
And how I’d like you to remember me

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Hi Debbie 3 yes meds helped his mood but his sleep is bad at night so maybe the mood enhancers need looking at thanks for that.

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Thank you, Tot. Your insights are truly valuable. Listening to someone diagnosed with Parkinson’s helps to understand a little.

Your verse is moving. I believe Dad would share a similar view. It’s important to treasure the moments when I catch the sparkle in his eye or his sense of humour. Although that may be blunter than before, it’s still there.

Thank you once again. Your thoughts are much appreciated.

Take care

Debbie