I don't want to be smutty, but back in the days of there being no knowledge of the DA/OCD link, there must have been occasions when 2 unwitting PwP, both suffering from compulsive hypersexuality, got together as bona fide couples.
One wonders how such relationships turned out.
.
Don,t know,maybe you could enlighten us Ray.With such a wealth of experience,i can,t believe this has eluded you.
Ray,
Those relationships would turn out in one of two ways :-
1. Either or both would feel they had died and gone to heaven
2. Either or both died from over exertion
Tulip
Those relationships would turn out in one of two ways :-
1. Either or both would feel they had died and gone to heaven
2. Either or both died from over exertion
Tulip
Hi,
Iv,e been doing some serious thinking these last four days.Four days not having a bet seems like nothing,but to someone who has bet for 27 years and never missed the Ascot meeting currently on,it is quite a long time.I can almost see the Bookies from my house.
Now you may not be interested but i,m posting anyway about my thoughts and feelings concerning DA,s and my current ongoing situation.A situation which involved a ridiculous amount of time obsessed with betting,sitting in the bookmakers,watching replays on the computer.Morning noon and night.
I have mentioned all recently,have an amendment/adjustment of medication for what is OCD behaviour in the form of gambling on horses and greyhounds.No other areas,just them.I have a prescription for Sinemet 12.5mg/50mg to start immediately with a reduction in the mirapexin to half.This to hopefully halt the OCD tendencies whilst still relieving symptoms.An Anti Depressant also precribed but have to see the doctor tomorrow.
Dilemma is,that although still taking the same dose of Mirapexin since.I have been able to go without having a bet,not even wanting to,bought no paper to look at form,not ventured near the bookies for 4 days,and it wouldent bother me how long it was till my next bet.
What has changed,well the Da drug dosage is the same.Does this mean that this cannot be the cause.If so what is the cause.Well i feel that there has got to be a catalyst to spark the OCD behaviour.This could be FINANCIAL PROBLEMS,RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS,DEPRESSION,ANXIETY,UNEMPLOYMENT(having to much time on hands)LOW SELF ESTEEM,anything which in order to be happy,turning to the thing you enjoy doing the most is the release.
I won,t quote figures,but a large percentage of pwp have depression,Anxiety and other psychological problems.These problems are all instrumental in the development of OCDs.This would be the case without medication.I know i have spoken to someone in this medical field who confirms this in some depth.
The question is what part in the equation do DA,s play.I don,t believe they are a cause,but help fuel an already obsession/interest.I have proved this now.Still on the same dosage.i am not climbing the walls,no cold turkey,no anxiety or need to find out results.Stopped dead in its tracks,not even an addiction.
Why i think this has happened in my opinion,in my case.Being unhappy with a number of things in my life,feeling useless,redundant,having pd itself and other health issues,plus a monthly hole in my income.I turned to the thing i enjoyed,had a fair bit of luck.Then got totally engrossed/obsessed in winning a big bet to make all problems go away.So close i came too,but hard luck stories are the laughter over bookmakers satchels.How much can be attributed to DA,s is debatable in my case.This might be a wake up call,but never the less things can,t be taken for granted.
If correct,then if a DA is a feature in heightening,at what point does it become one.I suppose it would vary on a persons thresh-hold.The current Maximum dosage set up should then be quite effective.The question then is,in my case.What is my thresh-hold.Well,back to that old grey area again.The realisation of a problem,understanding how down i had become,getting feelings out in the open,have all helped me regain normality in this area whilst still taking the same dosage of Mirapexin.So i have to conclude that other factors in my life were responsible for my excessive time gambling,the DA,added,fuelled that desire only.
I now have to decide,on whether to leave my meds were they are,because the cause i believe has been found.Or do i drop to the lower DA dosage set by my Neurologist with the addition of sinemet,Levadopa which i really wanted to delay as long as possible.This as a precaution because of how i was.Indeed how much do i need the Anti-depressants,however if taking the anti depressants and improving my outlook then i have less chance of reverting back to how i was,State of mind being highly instrumental.
Finally,i now believe that although DA,s play a part in OCD,s by way of stimulating Dopamine receptors in the Brain,they are not the cause at todays levels.The underlying cause when isolated,at the dosage capped levels today,is a major factor,and DA dosage adjustments can then be made accordingly.This i believe to be the case today,especially considering my current position in the midst of it all.Pwp airing their experiences are important in learning.The heady days of the past are another story,the warnings of those pwp have helped protect those of us currently on DA,s today.Trying to make sense of the grey area and finding the optimum point of benefit,by experience and observation.
All the best
Titan
Iv,e been doing some serious thinking these last four days.Four days not having a bet seems like nothing,but to someone who has bet for 27 years and never missed the Ascot meeting currently on,it is quite a long time.I can almost see the Bookies from my house.
Now you may not be interested but i,m posting anyway about my thoughts and feelings concerning DA,s and my current ongoing situation.A situation which involved a ridiculous amount of time obsessed with betting,sitting in the bookmakers,watching replays on the computer.Morning noon and night.
I have mentioned all recently,have an amendment/adjustment of medication for what is OCD behaviour in the form of gambling on horses and greyhounds.No other areas,just them.I have a prescription for Sinemet 12.5mg/50mg to start immediately with a reduction in the mirapexin to half.This to hopefully halt the OCD tendencies whilst still relieving symptoms.An Anti Depressant also precribed but have to see the doctor tomorrow.
Dilemma is,that although still taking the same dose of Mirapexin since.I have been able to go without having a bet,not even wanting to,bought no paper to look at form,not ventured near the bookies for 4 days,and it wouldent bother me how long it was till my next bet.
What has changed,well the Da drug dosage is the same.Does this mean that this cannot be the cause.If so what is the cause.Well i feel that there has got to be a catalyst to spark the OCD behaviour.This could be FINANCIAL PROBLEMS,RELATIONSHIP PROBLEMS,DEPRESSION,ANXIETY,UNEMPLOYMENT(having to much time on hands)LOW SELF ESTEEM,anything which in order to be happy,turning to the thing you enjoy doing the most is the release.
I won,t quote figures,but a large percentage of pwp have depression,Anxiety and other psychological problems.These problems are all instrumental in the development of OCDs.This would be the case without medication.I know i have spoken to someone in this medical field who confirms this in some depth.
The question is what part in the equation do DA,s play.I don,t believe they are a cause,but help fuel an already obsession/interest.I have proved this now.Still on the same dosage.i am not climbing the walls,no cold turkey,no anxiety or need to find out results.Stopped dead in its tracks,not even an addiction.
Why i think this has happened in my opinion,in my case.Being unhappy with a number of things in my life,feeling useless,redundant,having pd itself and other health issues,plus a monthly hole in my income.I turned to the thing i enjoyed,had a fair bit of luck.Then got totally engrossed/obsessed in winning a big bet to make all problems go away.So close i came too,but hard luck stories are the laughter over bookmakers satchels.How much can be attributed to DA,s is debatable in my case.This might be a wake up call,but never the less things can,t be taken for granted.
If correct,then if a DA is a feature in heightening,at what point does it become one.I suppose it would vary on a persons thresh-hold.The current Maximum dosage set up should then be quite effective.The question then is,in my case.What is my thresh-hold.Well,back to that old grey area again.The realisation of a problem,understanding how down i had become,getting feelings out in the open,have all helped me regain normality in this area whilst still taking the same dosage of Mirapexin.So i have to conclude that other factors in my life were responsible for my excessive time gambling,the DA,added,fuelled that desire only.
I now have to decide,on whether to leave my meds were they are,because the cause i believe has been found.Or do i drop to the lower DA dosage set by my Neurologist with the addition of sinemet,Levadopa which i really wanted to delay as long as possible.This as a precaution because of how i was.Indeed how much do i need the Anti-depressants,however if taking the anti depressants and improving my outlook then i have less chance of reverting back to how i was,State of mind being highly instrumental.
Finally,i now believe that although DA,s play a part in OCD,s by way of stimulating Dopamine receptors in the Brain,they are not the cause at todays levels.The underlying cause when isolated,at the dosage capped levels today,is a major factor,and DA dosage adjustments can then be made accordingly.This i believe to be the case today,especially considering my current position in the midst of it all.Pwp airing their experiences are important in learning.The heady days of the past are another story,the warnings of those pwp have helped protect those of us currently on DA,s today.Trying to make sense of the grey area and finding the optimum point of benefit,by experience and observation.
All the best
Titan
Titan I do appreciate your posting your thoughts. I respect them & also acknowledge your dilema re medication.
I will give it more thought but my initial reaction is:
Financial problems, relationship problems,depression, anxiety, unemployment do indeed cause low self esteem. Such state of mind often leads to self medication with drugs or alcohol which can result in addiction.
I am finding it difficult to imagine why these things would lead to the OCD behaviours such as shopping, gambling,sexual behaviours. If I am anxious about somethiing I would not think of a bet (& maybe, unfortunately, I do not drink or take drugs).
I can understand that in an ucomfortable situation people will turn to something that from past experience they know will make them feel good. But what stops them from putting on the brakes? Or indeed having to think brakes might be necessary? Is there something else at work?
I will give it more thought but my initial reaction is:
Financial problems, relationship problems,depression, anxiety, unemployment do indeed cause low self esteem. Such state of mind often leads to self medication with drugs or alcohol which can result in addiction.
I am finding it difficult to imagine why these things would lead to the OCD behaviours such as shopping, gambling,sexual behaviours. If I am anxious about somethiing I would not think of a bet (& maybe, unfortunately, I do not drink or take drugs).
I can understand that in an ucomfortable situation people will turn to something that from past experience they know will make them feel good. But what stops them from putting on the brakes? Or indeed having to think brakes might be necessary? Is there something else at work?
To paraphrase the age old adage:
Not all DA-ers are OCD-ers, and not all OCD-ers are DA-ers
Not all DA-ers are OCD-ers, and not all OCD-ers are DA-ers
Hi Annebernadette,
Brakes in my case are applied.I believe this possible at the dosages prescribed today.I am still on the same dose of DA,have not reduced yet.Why do i feel differently now than 4 days ago.With meds taken the same way it can only be a change in something else.All issues and problems have been openly discussed,resolved with my family,all are in agreement.Most concerning the depths of despair a pwp can reach which makes them act differently,as explained earlier.Will be discussing this situation in detail with my doctor tomorrow.Ultimate control of what medication we need to take is with us,the pwp.As such i am concerned about being moved on to Levadopa so early,if my theory is correct at the dosage i,m on.In other words,now the cause has been isolated,i just have to keep an eye on what fuels it(theDA).I believe that it was not the DA that is totally responsible.
We shall see if i am an example of developing OCD tendencies,whilst taking DA,s,understanding why,then carrying forward as normal.As stands i believe the best course of action is to carry on as is.The parallel thread on Levadopa somehow,does not seem very appealing to me.
The future will show whether i am right.Obviously after discussions with my G.P and P.D nurse.
All the best
Titan
Brakes in my case are applied.I believe this possible at the dosages prescribed today.I am still on the same dose of DA,have not reduced yet.Why do i feel differently now than 4 days ago.With meds taken the same way it can only be a change in something else.All issues and problems have been openly discussed,resolved with my family,all are in agreement.Most concerning the depths of despair a pwp can reach which makes them act differently,as explained earlier.Will be discussing this situation in detail with my doctor tomorrow.Ultimate control of what medication we need to take is with us,the pwp.As such i am concerned about being moved on to Levadopa so early,if my theory is correct at the dosage i,m on.In other words,now the cause has been isolated,i just have to keep an eye on what fuels it(theDA).I believe that it was not the DA that is totally responsible.
We shall see if i am an example of developing OCD tendencies,whilst taking DA,s,understanding why,then carrying forward as normal.As stands i believe the best course of action is to carry on as is.The parallel thread on Levadopa somehow,does not seem very appealing to me.
The future will show whether i am right.Obviously after discussions with my G.P and P.D nurse.
All the best
Titan
Hi Titan and Annebernardette,
Did you take a look at the link I Posted on 13 Jun 2011 22:40?
Titan ~ Since not placing a bet in the last 4 days, have you become more interested in shopping(ebay), hypersexual, writing poetry, well anything that you find compelling and is taking up a good part of your day?
Did you take a look at the link I Posted on 13 Jun 2011 22:40?
Titan ~ Since not placing a bet in the last 4 days, have you become more interested in shopping(ebay), hypersexual, writing poetry, well anything that you find compelling and is taking up a good part of your day?
Hi Titan.
I feel you're still clinging on to your original theory:
"Well I feel that there has got to be a catalyst to spark the OCD behaviour."
"These [pre-existing] problems are all instrumental in the development of OCDs."
We all accept that a certain percentage of the whole population suffers from compulsive gambling: it seems to be a general trait within our society. However you then extrapolate this fact into the DA arena for no good reason. You assume that if, say, 30% of the population has a gambling problem, then these will be the self same people who - if they were to go on to suffer from PD, and then be prescribed DAs - would automatically suffer from uncontrollably huge DA/OCD gambling.
But there is no reason for your conclusion that these are the same people, with similar propensities. No reason to assume that whatever brain function isn't working properly in ordinary people, and thus causes gambling compulsions, is the SAME brain function which fails to work when DAs are involved.
In other words you seem to be (incorrectly, in my view) starting from an assumption that those who have a gambling problem BEFORE taking DAs will be the same ones who go on to fall disastrously into the DA/OCD pit if they get PD.
By the same token you presumably deduce that the previously unaffected 70% (in the above example) will go on to be unaffected by DAs if they get PD, since they never had any propensity towards gambling before.
You may agree with me that your conclusions are at odds with the description provided by my legal professorial witness when discussing new behavioural traits of DA/OCD sufferers, i.e. he said that we were dealing with de novo/ex vacuo (i.e. new and not pre-existing) conditions.
And we must also remember that GG's neuropsychologist made it clear that "willpower cannot combat such a chemical onslaught on the brain's function".
Ray.
I feel you're still clinging on to your original theory:
"Well I feel that there has got to be a catalyst to spark the OCD behaviour."
"These [pre-existing] problems are all instrumental in the development of OCDs."
We all accept that a certain percentage of the whole population suffers from compulsive gambling: it seems to be a general trait within our society. However you then extrapolate this fact into the DA arena for no good reason. You assume that if, say, 30% of the population has a gambling problem, then these will be the self same people who - if they were to go on to suffer from PD, and then be prescribed DAs - would automatically suffer from uncontrollably huge DA/OCD gambling.
But there is no reason for your conclusion that these are the same people, with similar propensities. No reason to assume that whatever brain function isn't working properly in ordinary people, and thus causes gambling compulsions, is the SAME brain function which fails to work when DAs are involved.
In other words you seem to be (incorrectly, in my view) starting from an assumption that those who have a gambling problem BEFORE taking DAs will be the same ones who go on to fall disastrously into the DA/OCD pit if they get PD.
By the same token you presumably deduce that the previously unaffected 70% (in the above example) will go on to be unaffected by DAs if they get PD, since they never had any propensity towards gambling before.
You may agree with me that your conclusions are at odds with the description provided by my legal professorial witness when discussing new behavioural traits of DA/OCD sufferers, i.e. he said that we were dealing with de novo/ex vacuo (i.e. new and not pre-existing) conditions.
And we must also remember that GG's neuropsychologist made it clear that "willpower cannot combat such a chemical onslaught on the brain's function".
Ray.
cutipie thank you I checked the link. I have not come across nhp before. it was as you say interesting. They seem to advocate CBT? And you did not bore me
Hi Annebernardette,
Thank you. I have had CBT and it turned my life round, or should I say turned my mind round?
I was offered anti-depressants or CBT, I opted for CBT. I'd had enough of drugs and their side effects, so adding an anti-depressant at that time was a total no no. Had the CBT not been successful, I most probably would of introduced an anti-depressant.
Thank you. I have had CBT and it turned my life round, or should I say turned my mind round?
I was offered anti-depressants or CBT, I opted for CBT. I'd had enough of drugs and their side effects, so adding an anti-depressant at that time was a total no no. Had the CBT not been successful, I most probably would of introduced an anti-depressant.
Hi,
Well as not unexpected i appear to attract scorn and encouragement in varying amounts today by giving honest accounts of what i am experiencing.Maybe if i rolled out someone elses statistics Ray you may believe them.I don,t like statistics,what you have written Ray is nothing to do with my last posting on here.You have not listened to what i have said,i am sat here telling you as it is.You don,t have to believe me,that is your choice.
Cutiepie,i have spent more time on the computer,only site though is this one.Yes,poetry,i was explaining to someone just today,how i like to write when i get a bit down.A form of expression.It used to be art as well,but not being able to paint to the same standard renders the hobby pointless to me.Friday to Monday,you will probably be rid of me.Have a lot on,so am doing what i need to now.
Annebernadette,i am sorry i bore you,myself also,when thoughts are flowing i tend to look back and wish it was shorter.However,i prefer to get things down in one large posting,rather than a series of smaller ones.This can lead to repetition,double click of the brain.
I thought this forum was a facility for communicating feelings,opinions,advice and personal hardships coping with pd,and most of all support.
An indirect way of saying go away
well,the dislike is clear
still,i wish you all the best
Titan
Well as not unexpected i appear to attract scorn and encouragement in varying amounts today by giving honest accounts of what i am experiencing.Maybe if i rolled out someone elses statistics Ray you may believe them.I don,t like statistics,what you have written Ray is nothing to do with my last posting on here.You have not listened to what i have said,i am sat here telling you as it is.You don,t have to believe me,that is your choice.
Cutiepie,i have spent more time on the computer,only site though is this one.Yes,poetry,i was explaining to someone just today,how i like to write when i get a bit down.A form of expression.It used to be art as well,but not being able to paint to the same standard renders the hobby pointless to me.Friday to Monday,you will probably be rid of me.Have a lot on,so am doing what i need to now.
Annebernadette,i am sorry i bore you,myself also,when thoughts are flowing i tend to look back and wish it was shorter.However,i prefer to get things down in one large posting,rather than a series of smaller ones.This can lead to repetition,double click of the brain.
I thought this forum was a facility for communicating feelings,opinions,advice and personal hardships coping with pd,and most of all support.
An indirect way of saying go away
well,the dislike is clear
still,i wish you all the best
Titan
titan - just to clear up a very minor rpoint I have never said you bore me Quite the opposite. Why else would I read your posts?
Perhaps you are thinking of my response to Cutiepie's post that feared she may bore us .?My response being that she didn't
Titan, anyone who gets me thinking ,as you do, will never bore me
Perhaps you are thinking of my response to Cutiepie's post that feared she may bore us .?My response being that she didn't
Titan, anyone who gets me thinking ,as you do, will never bore me
Titan.
How on earth you can infer scorn, dislike or a desire for you to "go away" from my post beggars belief. It was a soundly constructed piece conveying a legitimate stance, as was yours, my friend.
I offer no further response.
Ray.
How on earth you can infer scorn, dislike or a desire for you to "go away" from my post beggars belief. It was a soundly constructed piece conveying a legitimate stance, as was yours, my friend.
I offer no further response.
Ray.
Ray,
You are being misleading by saying again that G.G.'s Neurological Psychologist said that will power would not be possible in her husbands case. There is no argument here as we've been told he was massively overdosed with Requip xl over a three year period, so of course we understand will-power was not possible for him.
Titan is to be encouraged and supported for the actions he has recently taken, including exercising a measure of will power.
All the best.
Lorna
You are being misleading by saying again that G.G.'s Neurological Psychologist said that will power would not be possible in her husbands case. There is no argument here as we've been told he was massively overdosed with Requip xl over a three year period, so of course we understand will-power was not possible for him.
Titan is to be encouraged and supported for the actions he has recently taken, including exercising a measure of will power.
All the best.
Lorna
Thanks for the clarification.
Indeed Titan should be encouraged, and I have consistently done so.
What shouldn't happen is for folk to be accused of scorn where none existed, or others could wrongly interpret this as paranoia.
Take care.
Indeed Titan should be encouraged, and I have consistently done so.
What shouldn't happen is for folk to be accused of scorn where none existed, or others could wrongly interpret this as paranoia.
Take care.
Hi Annebernadette,
With everything happening i misread your mention of boring as a referral to my posting.I really am sorry and apologies for the paranoia and for upsetting you.Truth is the message i left was long winded and ive automatically jumped to conclusions.
Sorry,take care
Titan
With everything happening i misread your mention of boring as a referral to my posting.I really am sorry and apologies for the paranoia and for upsetting you.Truth is the message i left was long winded and ive automatically jumped to conclusions.
Sorry,take care
Titan
Ray,
I have given my explanation backed up by my family.Conclusion made in my case is in our opinion.A variety of issues,(CAUSE) X OVER INDULGENCE OF HOBBY(OBJECT OF OCD FOCUS) X(FUELLED)by DA(MIRAPEXIN)= OCD POSSIBILITY.(TENDANCY).
cause is from a source or number of sources (personal to that person)
the object/objects of fascination,over indulgence.OCD.(Gambling)
the catalyst that fuels or speeds/increases the OCD .(DA,Mirapexin)
I believe that the cause has been recognised and is being dealt with,if the cause is removed then there is no major OCD,if there is no OCD then the catalyst is redundant.
With limits set as they are,the Brain is not flooded with the catalyst to the extent years ago.People now when realising the problem can MANAGE the OCD by recognising the cause.The catalyst can if need be be reduced,i feel in my case it would be better to leave instead of adding Levadopa.
Hope this is clearer
Your earlier reply want off down a different avenue
All the best
Titan
Hope that is claearer
I have given my explanation backed up by my family.Conclusion made in my case is in our opinion.A variety of issues,(CAUSE) X OVER INDULGENCE OF HOBBY(OBJECT OF OCD FOCUS) X(FUELLED)by DA(MIRAPEXIN)= OCD POSSIBILITY.(TENDANCY).
cause is from a source or number of sources (personal to that person)
the object/objects of fascination,over indulgence.OCD.(Gambling)
the catalyst that fuels or speeds/increases the OCD .(DA,Mirapexin)
I believe that the cause has been recognised and is being dealt with,if the cause is removed then there is no major OCD,if there is no OCD then the catalyst is redundant.
With limits set as they are,the Brain is not flooded with the catalyst to the extent years ago.People now when realising the problem can MANAGE the OCD by recognising the cause.The catalyst can if need be be reduced,i feel in my case it would be better to leave instead of adding Levadopa.
Hope this is clearer
Your earlier reply want off down a different avenue
All the best
Titan
Hope that is claearer
Hi.
Everyone is different, as we always say. I don't doubt your case is as you describe it, as is my own.
What we must ALL accept, though, is that however knowledgeable and prepared a patient might think they are, SOME will feel the tug of the compulsion like a whip, a triffid even. So sudden, so powerful, so unexpected that they will find it totally overpowering, and be swallowed up in a trice.
It could happen to any one of us, at any time.
Take care.
Everyone is different, as we always say. I don't doubt your case is as you describe it, as is my own.
What we must ALL accept, though, is that however knowledgeable and prepared a patient might think they are, SOME will feel the tug of the compulsion like a whip, a triffid even. So sudden, so powerful, so unexpected that they will find it totally overpowering, and be swallowed up in a trice.
It could happen to any one of us, at any time.
Take care.
Hi.
A lot of the debate which has taken place to date about DA-induced OCDs has centred on out-of-control gambling. I believe the two main reasons for this are:
(1) The lifetime of experience in the betting world accumulated by our good friend and contributor Titan, and which has proved most useful, and
(2) The understandable reluctance and unease felt by many about discussing the other DA/OCD front-runner, which for simplification I’ll call Libido, to cover hypersexuality, cross dressing, infidelity, pornography, brothels, fetishism, deviance and “Peeping Tom” activities.
As most of you know, I was affected by DA/OCDs for 7 years. What you may not realise is that gambling occupied neither the biggest slice of my time nor the largest expenditure. Libido issues, in various shapes and forms, were by far the greatest and most all-consuming interest (total obsession 24 x 7) to me throughout that period. And, much as I loathe to admit it, cross dressing was the sub-topic which obsessed me the most. Not overt transvestitism (out in the open, pretending to be female), but either indoors or secretly outdoors, e.g. hidden beneath normal male clothing. The risk of getting caught was a massive driver: the greater the risk the better. I had hoards and hoards of sexy undies, nightwear, hosiery, shoes, etc, which cost many tens of thousands of pounds.
These events now being long in the past, I can assure you all that (i) all of these activities stopped as soon as I stopped taking DAs, and (ii) prior to taking DAs I had absolutely no interest in such subjects whatsoever. The idea would have made me puke, as it does now.
I realise that if one follows the theories being suggested by some members here, i.e. that those most likely to develop massive OCD tendencies whilst taking DAs are those who had a propensity towards those self-same activities before being put on DAs, one cannot avoid drawing the conclusion that before PD I myself must have already been a cross dresser – even if only latently. Believe me, given the possibility that you good members might indeed draw that conclusion, I would not be posting this if I weren’t certain of my facts!
By way of further example perhaps I might mention two other DA/OCD cases which reached the criminal courts:
Case A involved an otherwise normal man who dressed up as a woman and then attacked his wife with a shovel. This man was let off after hearing expert neurological evidence;
Case B involved a normally quiet gent who – in an enraged state – burnt down his mother-in-law’s house, killing her and severely disfiguring his own wife. After being taken off his Cabergoline he then realised what he’d done, and committed suicide in police custody.
I’d be interested to hear theories as to how these two DA takers probably had a propensity towards such acts prior to being prescribed DAs.
If anyone else has stories to relate about DA-induced OCDs causing out-of-control Libido problems, here’s your opportunity to warn others.
Ray.
A lot of the debate which has taken place to date about DA-induced OCDs has centred on out-of-control gambling. I believe the two main reasons for this are:
(1) The lifetime of experience in the betting world accumulated by our good friend and contributor Titan, and which has proved most useful, and
(2) The understandable reluctance and unease felt by many about discussing the other DA/OCD front-runner, which for simplification I’ll call Libido, to cover hypersexuality, cross dressing, infidelity, pornography, brothels, fetishism, deviance and “Peeping Tom” activities.
As most of you know, I was affected by DA/OCDs for 7 years. What you may not realise is that gambling occupied neither the biggest slice of my time nor the largest expenditure. Libido issues, in various shapes and forms, were by far the greatest and most all-consuming interest (total obsession 24 x 7) to me throughout that period. And, much as I loathe to admit it, cross dressing was the sub-topic which obsessed me the most. Not overt transvestitism (out in the open, pretending to be female), but either indoors or secretly outdoors, e.g. hidden beneath normal male clothing. The risk of getting caught was a massive driver: the greater the risk the better. I had hoards and hoards of sexy undies, nightwear, hosiery, shoes, etc, which cost many tens of thousands of pounds.
These events now being long in the past, I can assure you all that (i) all of these activities stopped as soon as I stopped taking DAs, and (ii) prior to taking DAs I had absolutely no interest in such subjects whatsoever. The idea would have made me puke, as it does now.
I realise that if one follows the theories being suggested by some members here, i.e. that those most likely to develop massive OCD tendencies whilst taking DAs are those who had a propensity towards those self-same activities before being put on DAs, one cannot avoid drawing the conclusion that before PD I myself must have already been a cross dresser – even if only latently. Believe me, given the possibility that you good members might indeed draw that conclusion, I would not be posting this if I weren’t certain of my facts!
By way of further example perhaps I might mention two other DA/OCD cases which reached the criminal courts:
Case A involved an otherwise normal man who dressed up as a woman and then attacked his wife with a shovel. This man was let off after hearing expert neurological evidence;
Case B involved a normally quiet gent who – in an enraged state – burnt down his mother-in-law’s house, killing her and severely disfiguring his own wife. After being taken off his Cabergoline he then realised what he’d done, and committed suicide in police custody.
I’d be interested to hear theories as to how these two DA takers probably had a propensity towards such acts prior to being prescribed DAs.
If anyone else has stories to relate about DA-induced OCDs causing out-of-control Libido problems, here’s your opportunity to warn others.
Ray.