Looking for advice in end of life care for grandmother with Parkinson’s

Hi everyone,

This is probably going to be a long one and my brain is fried so thank you in advance for persevering with me.

We are based in the UK. I have more or less taken on a coordinating role in this as I am a healthcare professional. However, this side of things is very new to me, and I would appreciate any help or advice from folks who may have experience or have gone through something like this.

Until a month ago, my grandmother had Stage 3 Parkinson’s Disease. She needed a carer once a day for washing/dressing and help for cleaning and shopping etc., but was otherwise independent (fiercely so - she was a very strong woman).

A hospital admission for a fall, a failed discharge and a 3 week hospital stay later, she has rapidly deteriorated to Stage 5 - she is bed-bound, doubly incontinent and requires round the clock care. She cannot reposition herself. She is very frail, and also has CKD5 and diabetes.

After discussing her wishes at length, she has expressed wish to be allowed to die comfortably and is very explicit that she wants this to be at home. She does not want to go into residential care and has declined any further interventions.

The problem we are now having is arranging appropriate care for her. She lives with my grandfather, who is also dependent on care and is unable to help. The original agreement for her to remain at home following hospital discharge was for her to have a 3x a day care package plus an overnight carer. She is (understandably) struggling to adjust to having become fully dependent, and after one night, withdrew consent for overnight carers due to monetary concerns and wanting to be left alone overnight. This is, of course, woefully inadequate, for a myriad of reasons. We have thankfully been able to talk her around to reinstating this.

The money remains an issue though. Her care is provided by micro-providers, who are brilliant, but it is very costly. They are threatening to withdraw care again. Following this, we’ve had to have a frank discussion with them that if they withdraw it, it is likely that she will be forcibly removed from the home for safeguarding concerns.

As a family, all we want is for her wishes to be met - to die with dignity, peacefully and comfortably in her own home and receive the appropriate care to make that happen, while also mitigating any external stressors I.e. finances if possible. I am wondering if you guys may have any recommendations for services that I can contact that are able to assist with care without the enormous cost, to remove their monetary concerns? Or even just support services? I’ve arranged a GP home visit tomorrow to discuss outstanding concerns and ongoing care, and was wondering if I should enquire about Marie Curie, for example. But if there’s anything else I can do, I would like to explore it.

Many thanks for reading and I can answer questions if extra info is needed. :slight_smile:

Hi @BobaBram, and thank you for taking the time to explain your situation.

It sounds like you’ve been carrying a lot of responsibility while trying to honour your grandmother’s wishes, and it’s understandable that this feels overwhelming.

Many families find themselves in a similar position, so you’re not alone in navigating this.

You’re doing the right thing by arranging a GP visit and looking at support options. Because your grandmother has expressed a clear wish for care at home, it would be appropriate to ask about continuing healthcare funding. You can mention this when the GP visits.

You mentioned Marie Curie: yes they are worth asking about, as is Sue Ryder, an organisation which offers palliative support services.

It may help to have conversations with these organisations around your grandmother being placed on an end-of-life or palliative care support, if that reflects her wishes.

You’re advocating very thoughtfully for her dignity, and we hope you’re finding time to look after yourself after taking on this responsibility. If speaking to someone in our team is helpful, we’re here for you and anyone else in your family, on freephone 0808 800 0303.

We’re sending our warmest wishes

The Parkinson’s UK Moderation Team :blue_heart:

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Could you contact your local council and ask to speak to the social worker on duty in adult social care? Explain the predicament and see if they will assess your grandmother. If the case is put to local management, you can see if they will either arrange care with one of their providers and your nana pays a contribution or they might give a budget which is payable privately and you arrange your own care. For the second option, youll need to provde proof of that care. Before you call the council, make a list of the risks so include the need for a timely response, your grandfather’s health issues, risk of falls, retention of dignity for toileting needs and so on. If there is a social work team within the hospital from whose care your grandmother was discharged, ask for their support too because what has happened is the care scenario has failed or is at risk of collapse. GP might also do the referral, the more people shouting, the better. The PD advice line is also really good.

I hope you manage to get something sorted out.

Hi BobaBram,

I do understand your untenable situation, and can only sympathise.

I have had similar situations, in my consulting in PD and have seen the desperate situation where the person simply refuses all help, medicines, food etc and simply allow themselves to pass on. It is horrific for both the person and their family.

It would seem after the parliamentary vote today, that Euthanasia may be accepted in the UK.

An option may be going onto a site like “GoFundMe” and tell them your story. There are a myriad people who would, I am sure, donate monies to help.

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Hi I’m in a similar mental position about dying and I’m only supposed to be at stage 3

My advice would be to please let her die. Im reading up on how to die with dignity and without pain. It’s possible. I live in Thailand and only have a young carer but I think it is selfish of me to expect her to put up with me. I have no family. Let’s do it

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